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401 Re: New York Giants taj Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:07

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Da nema Bekama, bili bi najgori napad u ligi, kakva tragedija. Nismo presli sa svojih 35y u prvom poluvremenu jebote.

402 Re: New York Giants taj Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:12

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ne fali vama bekam nego dobar qb. ilija nije ni blizu svog nivoa vec 2 godine. a i kako bi bio pored onog krsa od OL



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403 Re: New York Giants taj Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:16

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Čelični "u sridu". Širom lige imaš ti koliko hoćeš ovakvih krš QB-ova, ali nisu plaćeni ko elita. Za razliku od Manninga.



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404 Re: New York Giants taj Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:24

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mogao bih reci da je risiver nerelevantan uz dobrog qb, ali pos**o bih se sebi usta, jer smo upravo na takav nacin dobili juce Very Happy ali, ako ne proradi bacac, dzabe i taj jedan risiver, koji ce ga spasiti jedan ili dva meca ali nece izvuci PO. videli smo to i juce, u prvom poluvremenu kad je big ben pokusao uci u ritam (nije odigrao svega 2 drajva u presezoni). cim je proradio on, to je iznedrilo jednog dzesija dzejmsa sa 2 td



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405 Re: New York Giants taj Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:27

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Mi od Bredsoa nemamo kvalitetnog RBa, a i on je bio neka srednja klasa. O TE da ne pricam. Sve naopako.

406 Re: New York Giants taj Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:32

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stize vam dogodine levion bel, kao poklon od rodjaka runija



Poslednji izmenio Steelers dana Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:33, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta



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407 Re: New York Giants taj Pon 11 Sep 2017, 13:32

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Inače, koliko god zvučalo paradoksalno, najveći pobednik sinoć je upravo OBJ. Nakon što smo imali pokaznu vežbu na šta napad liči kad on nije tu, mislim da od uprave Giantsa može da traži blanko papire na kojima će on napisati uslove produženja ugovora o kojima se neće pregovarati.



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408 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 12 Sep 2017, 17:40

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Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese are both smart men who earned the respective jobs they have as coach and general manager of the New York Giants. Both know more about football and have more information at their disposal than I ever will. Both also have a flaw that might undo their effort to bring another championship to the Giants — they are both incredibly stubborn.

Both are prideful men who believe strongly that they are right. So strongly, in fact, that it sometimes seems to get in the way of their making the adjustments or changes that — to NFL analysts, media members and even Giants fans — seem necessary.

Let’s start with Reese.
We have to start there. Because we have to start with the offensive line.

Before we fully get into discussing the general manager and his offensive line decisions, I have to say this. The cavalry is not coming. There are no better players on the street than the ones the Giants already have on their roster. No one is trading them a Pro Bowl-caliber offensive tackle. With the season here, it’s not realistic to think the Giants can shuffle the chess pieces — put Ereck Flowers at guard and Justin Pugh at left tackle, for example — and fix the problems. Can’t do that now.

The Giants have to lie in the bed that Reese has made for them. So, now let’s talk about that bed. It’s certainly not well enough made to pass a barracks inspection.

There were two central decisions, perhaps three, the Giants made during the offseason that led to the status quo we now have on the offensive line.

First, rather than sign aging left tackle Andrew Whitworth, who was outstanding in 2016, the Giants signed again wide receiver Brandon Marshall, who wasn’t. Yes, I know Marshall was less expensive than Whitworth.

Second, rather than draft either Ryan Ramczyk or Cam Robinson, both Week 1 starting left tackles, the Giants took tight end Evan Engram. I love Engram and think he will be a terrific player if the Giants use him properly, but it was still a choice that didn’t help the offensive line. Reese is still trying to prove he was right to select Flowers.

Third, rather than sign an obvious upgrade at right guard the Giants brought back John Jerry and signed only D.J. Fluker for depth.

These are the choices the general manager made, and they will have a great deal to do with how this season and the remainder of the career of Eli Manning turn out.

Gary Myers of the Daily News wrote today that Reese’s lack of attention to the offensive line was “football malpractice” and “a fireable offense.” Maybe, but Reese isn’t getting fired. And no one should be surprised by the lack of major moves on the offensive line.

The line has been an issue for six or seven years now, roughly since the Giants won their last Super Bowl. Which roughly corresponds to when the line that Ernie Accorsi, Tom Coughlin, Kevin Gilbride and Pat Flaherty put together got old, injured and ineffective.

In all that time, the general manager still hasn’t fixed it.

He will point to Flowers and Pugh (first-round picks), Weston Richburg (a second-round pick) and Geoff Schwartz (a high-priced free agent who didn’t work out due to injuries) and tell you he has tried.

That’s true. There are, however, two problems. The first has been the Giants’ judgment when it comes to selecting offensive linemen. The second, Reese’s unwillingness to recognize mistakes and move on quickly enough.

The Giants have won two Super Bowls with Manning at quarterback. There’s an argument to be made that just two titles with Manning is an underachievement, and that the overall body of work of the GM is the reason that aren’t more trophies in the case in East Rutherford.

About that judgment.

Reese had conducted 11 drafts. In all that time Pugh is probably the best offensive lineman Reese has drafted, unless you want to argue that it’s Richburg. What is Pugh? I like the guy, he’s a leader, a spokesman and a solid player. Get down to brass tacks, though, and he’s a guy who was judged not good enough to stay at right tackle and who has been a good, but not close to top-tier, guard.

Reese hasn’t drafted a single Pro Bowl or All-Pro offensive lineman in 11 tries.

As for free agents, you can make an argument that Jerry is the most successful of the linemen signed during the Reese era. Of course, I’m not sure that argument doesn’t speak well for Reese.

Maybe the reality is that Reese, and by extension Marc Ross and the Giants’ scouting department, simply don’t do a good job when it comes to identifying quality offensive linemen.

At this point, it’s almost like Reese has thrown up his hands, said “I’ve done enough and it’s either going to work or it’s not,” and moved on.

The offensive line may yet work out. After a rocky start, it did pass protect better as Sunday’s game went along. For what they are worth, here are the Pro Football Focus grades for Sunday.

Giants Week 1 OL Grades:
Weston Richburg - 78.8
Justin Pugh - 78.1
Bobby Hart - 77.5
John Jerry - 73.4
Ereck Flowers - 53.4

Whatever. Watch the game and you know those grades don’t match what your eyes told you — which was that when it mattered the line wasn’t very good and that too many plays were blown up by poor blocking before they even had a chance.

That line may sabotage what should be an excellent season for the Giants.

That’s the gamble the Giants have taken. If it doesn’t work, the wreckage lands at the general manager’s feet.

McAdoo is hardly blameless.
There is no way to know how much input McAdoo had into those offseason personnel decisions. Maybe he told Reese to go out and get him more weapons and he would just scheme around offensive line issues. We will never know.

But, the utterly inept offense we saw Sunday night? That’s at McAdoo’s feet. And if you believe that the presence of Odell Beckham Jr. would have solved all of the issues we saw vs. the Dallas Cowboys, well, you haven’t been watching what I’ve been watching for the past three years.

Kim Jones of NFL Network tweeted this on Monday:

In '15, Odell Beckham Jr was only true explosive weapon & #NYG offense was better than last year or last night.
Amazing.
Indictment of many.

Agreed. It’s an indictment of the line. The other supposed play-makers. The quarterback. The general manager. And, the head coach.

The Giants have now gone seven straight games without scoring at least 20 points. Per Pat Leonard of the Daily News, they dropped from 420 points scored in 2015 to an abominable 310 last year.

What is scary is that after eight months of planning, after adding Marshall, Engram, Rhett Ellison and turning over the keys to the running game to Paul Perkins the result was the totally unacceptable performance we saw Sunday.

Forget Beckham for a minute. The offense wasn’t very good with him last year, anyway.

The Giants had eight months to figure out how to attack the Cover 2 defense they said was at the root of their issues last season. They added lots of pieces aimed at allowing them to vary their offense and dictate to defenses rather than react to what was being done to them.

Yet, the Giants averaged a miniscule 4.8 yards per passing attempt vs. Dallas. McAdoo was left talking about how Dallas played soft once they got the lead and didn’t allow the Giants to get the ball down field. Manning, in a refrain we heard too often last year, talked about how the Cowboys did some things the Giants didn’t expect and consequently the Giants weren’t able to get into things they wanted.

What? None of that is a good look for the coach. McAdoo has insisted on keeping control of the offense since ascending to the big chair, and it hasn’t worked yet.

There was precisely one throw in the entire game, a 22-yard completion to Roger Lewis Jr., that attacked the soft spot between the corner and safety in a Cover 2.

I was chatting with our own Chris Pflum about this earlier Tuesday, and his thought echoed mine. Here is what he said:

“They need to act like they added weapons this off-season. I get wanting to get the offense into a rhythm, but make the defense defend the whole field. They don't need OBJ for that.”
Exactly.

Wasn’t that the idea of adding Marshall and Engram?

Where was Marshall Sunday? The Giants never really made a concerted effort to get him the ball? Engram caught four passes, but none of real impact. The 31-yarder he caught was a broken play, not a designed one. Where were the seam routes to Engram? Where was something vertical? That’s what they drafted him for, not to be stuck playing inline where they used him almost exclusively. And where he doesn’t belong.

It gets tiresome to watch the Giants, with a quarterback who has made some of the biggest plays the NFL has seen, dink and dunk and refuse to try to attack opposing defenses.

Beyond that, why do the Giants stubbornly refuse to fully embrace Orleans Darkwa? He was their best back in the preseason, and their best on Sunday. Yet, he got three carries. Probably because McAdoo announced in the spring that Perkins was his guy and he’s going to keep hammering at that until he proves he’s right.

That stubbornness, when the Giants used 11 personnel more than 90 percent of the time, was part of the problem last year. To me, there sometimes seems to be an in-game unwillingness to deviate from the original plan.

McAdoo sometimes seems to live in a “this was my plan and it’s the best plan no matter what the results, so we’re sticking to it” kind of bubble.

I always look at the New England Patriots. They are never married to one philosophy, one way of playing, one group of players. What Bill Belichick does better than anyone else is adjust. To his personnel. To the opponent. To the situation. There is no “this is how we do it.” There is only, let’s do whatever it is going to take to win.

It’s something I believe McAdoo could, and should, learn from.

Make some changes. Use Darkwa more. Get Engram out wide and down the field. Make Marshall the first read more often. Try throwing something longer than 5 yards to Sterling Shepard. Give Brett Jones or D.J. Fluker a shot at right guard. Stop calling the plays and give Mike Sullivan a shot at being a real offensive coordinator.

Try something.

For both McAdoo and Reese, being stubborn will not get the Giants where they hope to go.



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409 Re: New York Giants taj Ned 17 Sep 2017, 11:06

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Bill Belichick: Lawrence Taylor could tell who was blocking him by the fear in their eyes



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410 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 08:34

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Širom lige imamo ofanzivne linije koje se smatraju lošim jer su loše ili u pas protekciji ili u blokiranju za trčanje. Kako onda okvalifikovati ofanzivnu liniju koja nije u stanju ni jedno ni drugo. uzas



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411 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 08:56

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Sea OL je ipak bez konkurencije



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412 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 09:19

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Ovi NYG razmazeni. Hoće OL a nabudzili D. Pa ne možeš da potrošiš 85 miliona na 5 igrača i da očekuješ da ostalih 48 budu srecni.







413 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 10:01

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Gotovo sa sigurnošću mogu reći da je jedino u footballu na šta se isplati iskrcat novce je OL (što se napada tiče)...

Sve drugo onda se nekako da posložit...

Što me dovodi do sljedećeg, nemrem vjerovat da na kugli zemaljskoj od 7 milijardi ljudi ti nemreš naći 5 grmalja koji imaju bar malo mozga u glavi...

Priroda je jebena, nema šta, uvijek pobjeđuje...



414 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 10:16

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Da je lako nac 5 grmalja onda se ne bi isplatilo davat pare za iste Very Happy

415 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 10:24

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Al to mi je nevjerojatno...

Nemreš naći, ok, nemreš, koliko god to nemoguće zvučalo na spomenutih 7 milijardi ljudi i onda umjesto da sve resurse ugruvaš u njih i pokušaš dovući za ono što znaš da vrijedi, ti qratz, ugruvaš pare u tzv. skill playere koji su go qratz bez lopte a loptu ne mogu dobit jer nema ko štitit one koji distribuiraju loptu i tako dalje i tako bliže...

Jebenica kako svijet funkcionira...

Dobro smo još svi i živi i da nije sve ošlo u pm puno prije...



416 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 10:51

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Bas tako..najbitnija stvar u footbalu OL..najbitniji igrac blind side OT
al kao da GM to ne kontaju



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417 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 11:09

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Pa aj ti reci...

Priča se mjesecima o OBJ i njegovom novom ugovoru, fulo prvo kolo a priča još jača, da mora biti plaćen bolje od Stafforda trenutno i ina sranja...

A vidjelo se jučer, samo jedan od trilion primjera, da je on go qratz skupa sa svima ostalima ako nema ko čuvat onog koji mu tu loptu treba bacit...

I bez obzira na sve, on će opet dobit hrpu para a OL će i dalje biti propuh...

I svi će se divit njegovim 1 handed kečevima na zagrijavanju...



418 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 11:12

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419 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 13:04

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@kb8 ::Pa aj ti reci...

Priča se mjesecima o OBJ i njegovom novom ugovoru, fulo prvo kolo a priča još jača, da mora biti plaćen bolje od Stafforda trenutno i ina sranja...

A vidjelo se jučer, samo jedan od trilion primjera, da je on go qratz skupa sa svima ostalima ako nema ko čuvat onog koji mu tu loptu treba bacit...

I bez obzira na sve, on će opet dobit hrpu para a OL će i dalje biti propuh...

I svi će se divit njegovim 1 handed kečevima na zagrijavanju...
Ima verovatno i do toga sto niko nece kupiti dres Joe Thomasa, a svi ce kupiti OBJ recimo..ili cak mnogo losijih igraca poput Tebow..



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420 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 13:12

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Među NYG fan bazom trenutno je takav očaj zbog situacije sa OL ( a posebno LT ) da bi pola Njujorka kupilo dresove Joe Thomasa kada bi ga neka dobra vila čarobnim štapićem postavila levo od Meninga umesto Ereka "Cveća"

Mada da se ne lažemo, veći su to i dublji problemi duž čitave OL, tako da čak ni to ne bi pomoglo.



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421 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 13:21

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Upravo tako, tu su puno veći problemi...

Ponekad i ELItni se treba brže riješit lopte, odradit readove kako treba i tako dalje i tako bliže pa bi možda i O line bolje izgledala u nekim situacijama...



422 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 13:25

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Ako se izgubi još jedna ili dve, ja bi probao sa Genom Genom...majke mi. Ako ništa, bar ima noge, ume spasit dupe. A ako ni to ne pomogne, sezona je već odavno pokojna. Onda daš onom detetu da se igra i stiče iskustvo, pa za dve godine možda i dobiješ igrača na duže staze i još ćeš imat visok pick na draftu dogodine.



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423 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 17:05

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Last 7 games: Jets 111 points, Giants 92. And the Giants have Eli Manning and the world's greatest receiver.



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424 Re: New York Giants taj Uto 19 Sep 2017, 21:49

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world's greatest receiver.

Highly debatable

425 Re: New York Giants taj Sre 20 Sep 2017, 01:51

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Jača bi ofanzivna linija bila da okupimo 5-6 ljudi sa foruma. Ono je sramota.

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